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Username1 05-19-2014 06:10 PM

Are you saying the picture is not linear horizontally....? That could be a bad coil in yoke,
or a capacitor across the coil in the yoke, or a wave shape not right somewhere along
the horiz section. But just for S's & G's turn the yoke and be sure the problem follows
you turning the yoke, if yer worried about the tube and that mysterious blue thing
causing the problem in the picture..... But if linearity is a problem, I would bet it's also
causing HV issues....

Username1 05-19-2014 06:17 PM

If you got the Sams start doing voltage checks, resistance checks, and O'scope
checks, do the easy stuff first, voltage and resistance. It could show up doing any
of those checks. Horiz Osc, Horiz Output, HV Transformer, Yoke, whatever they
give you check it.

I once went nuts tracking something and finally just did the resistance checks off
the Sams and found it really fast, I felt silly for not doing it first.

timmy 05-19-2014 06:24 PM

i went over the yoke already and is fine also voltage checks ok as well hot sams says -50 but i get -55 bright down and -54 bright up dont know if this is acceptable. voltage on the damper also.

Username1 05-19-2014 06:31 PM

So is the picture not linear horizontally..? Is it really bad..? Or is it pushed over to one side....??

How would you describe the picture...? Do you have a cross hatch you can put on the
screen...? Does the horiz hold lock ok...? AGC set correctly...?

timmy 05-19-2014 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Username1 (Post 3104456)
So is the picture not linear horizontally..? Is it really bad..? Or is it pushed over to one side....??

How would you describe the picture...? Do you have a cross hatch you can put on the
screen...? Does the horiz hold lock ok...? AGC set correctly...?

this set has a nice picture but to make up for the loss of hv bright has to be lowered and the screen is to much to one side. bar dot gen shows it as centered but after setting up and watching a channel its not centerd the way it should be. the screen is full its just to much to one side. horiz hold is fine as is the agc.

Username1 05-19-2014 06:44 PM

I would say then, that you might need to check some wave shapes with a scope to see
if the horiz osc is running right and with the right shape on the wave.... Right voltage on
the wave too...

timmy 05-19-2014 06:48 PM

well the scope thing wont work because i dont have one. but if the horiz frequency was that far off then it would effect the hold i think and it locks fine.there are other things that i found when i got this set that i dont know why but it could have a bad flyback because something was done to this set that burned the 100k resistor in 2 on the focus coil and it may have heated the core windings in the fly that may have changed values in some way. i did do a comparison ohms on both the flyback and a nos one i have and they were within 15-20 of each other. the fly in there now was a new one from maybe early 80s.

Username1 05-19-2014 06:57 PM

Since you get a picture, I would say the frequency is on, but the shape of the wave, or
the shape of any part of the waves along the way in the osc. circuit may not be right, or
the voltage, or height of the waves may not be right. If the picture is off center, then
something is wrong osc, AGC, Horiz Output. I would begin with these based on your description.....

timmy 05-19-2014 07:08 PM

its not so much about the centering which i could live with its the hv i cant get up where it belongs, just touching 25kv reg cap off, crt cap off it will stay up there but put antenna on a pic is there scene changes and the hv will drop to 19kv. seems like the bias is up to far but its counter all the way, move it a spec to set up the guns and the hv drops way down, just is not right.

Jon A. 05-19-2014 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy (Post 3104443)
did all of this, cathode currant is at 190 and it can swing up or down. reg tube and others, whats odd is on the side of this blue i am having problems with centering on that side. focus volts seem to be ok at about 4500kv sams shows.

Holy crap! No wonder the area is torched.

Haha, j/k.

eberts 05-23-2014 01:26 AM

The blue glass is from manufacturing, the annealing flame was too rich in gas.
X rays also discolor the funnel glass over time.


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