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vts1134 02-01-2017 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Nelson (Post 3177743)
...The video preamp is a cool idea, though. When you're finished with your installation, maybe you can post a schematic of the whole thing.

Regards,

Phil Nelson
Phil's Old Radios
http://antiqueradio.org/index.html

I will post a schematic of the final solution when I'm finished with the set. It's the least I can do in return for the immense help I receive from this forum.

vts1134 02-17-2017 07:13 AM

This is what I ended up with for the video amp/inverter...

http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0tqooz3x.jpg

Phil Nelson 02-17-2017 06:10 PM

Thanks, that looks pretty simple. What type of transistor did you use?

Regards,

Phil Nelson

Phil Nelson 03-09-2017 09:49 PM

Out of curiosity, I built that preamp/inverter on a piece of perfboard, using a 12V battery supply and a 2N3903 transistor:

http://antiqueradio.org/art/DuMontRA...eoPreamp01.jpg

It works, after a fashion, but it isn't great. The first pic shows the video signal (color bars) direct from the pattern generator:

http://antiqueradio.org/art/DuMontRA...eoPreamp02.jpg

And below is the signal coming out of the preamp. The pattern is inverted, but kinda "slenderized," and there seems to be some noise or instability:

http://antiqueradio.org/art/DuMontRA...eoPreamp03.jpg

The screen image is disappointing. It has decent contrast and detail, and the pot on the collector acts as a contrast control, but the vertical is quite unstable and retrace lines are visible nearly all of the time (not much in this pic, though):

http://antiqueradio.org/art/DuMontRA...eoPreamp04.jpg

I wonder if the 2N3903 transistor wasn't the best choice? The local supplier didn't have much to pick from. Here's the 2N3903 data sheet:

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Eng...s/2N3903-D.pdf

Phil Nelson
Phil's Old Radios
http://antiqueradio.org/index.html

miniman82 03-09-2017 10:57 PM

Looks like lack of bandwidth if you ask me, did you sweep it to make sure it's passing all frequencies up to about 4.2mhz? Probably could use some peaking.

mrjukebox160 03-09-2017 11:05 PM

I wonder if the transistor is too "slow". You might need a true video amp transistor.

mrjukebox160 03-09-2017 11:07 PM

You beat it to the post miniman82...LOL

Phil Nelson 03-10-2017 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miniman82 (Post 3180307)
did you sweep it to make sure it's passing all frequencies up to about 4.2mhz?

How would I do that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrjukebox160 (Post 3180309)
You might need a true video amp transistor.

Any suggestions? I know diddly about solid state.

Thanks,

Phil Nelson

old_coot88 03-10-2017 01:57 AM

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I would modify it slightly so you're gain-controlling it from the input side.

Tim 03-10-2017 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Nelson (Post 3180316)
How would I do that?

Thanks,

Phil Nelson

Do you have Multiburst signal on your generator? If so, feed that through it.

http://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_...-wfm-large.jpg

vts1134 03-10-2017 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Nelson (Post 3180316)

Any suggestions? I know diddly about solid state.

Thanks,

Phil Nelson

+1 on any suggestions.

old_tv_nut 03-10-2017 02:13 PM

The 4.7 is 4.7 microfarads, right?
The + side should be connected to the transistor base, but the way you have it drawn, the negative side is connected to the base. Which way do you really have it?

That transistor should be OK for video frequencies (Ft is 250 MHz, which means the internal capacitances reduce the gain to unity at 250 MHz).

Are you using a 10x probe on the scope? A 1x probe may add too much stray capacitance and reduce the high frequency response. You can detect this by watching the picture while you apply and remove the probe.

old_tv_nut 03-10-2017 02:26 PM

You are going into pin 4 (grid) of V4 (6AC7), right?

Did you disconnect the detector diode?

Also, .002 microfarad is too small to drive 5.6k. The low frequency cutoff will be about 14 kHz, causing vertical sync problems.

Since 5.6 k is close to your collector load, it will reduce the AC gain, so disconnect it and replace it with something like 56k. This will lower the cutoff to 1.4 kHz, still too high. Then, to get the low frequency response down to 30 Hz, the coupling cap has to be increased to 0.002x1400/30 = 0.09 (use 0.1 microfarad).

old_tv_nut 03-10-2017 02:33 PM

Once you have made the changes, your waveform should look much better. Then, if the chroma (or high frequency multiburst) amplitude is a bit low, we can talk about adding some peaking.

old_tv_nut 03-10-2017 03:04 PM

By the way, if you don't like replacing the 5.6k ohm resistor, you could add an emitter follower to your amplifier to drive the lower impedance - but you would also have to increase the coupling cap from 0.1 uf to 1 uf, a nuisance because you are getting back into the range of polarized caps.


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