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OK, so THIS is what it's used for, :D no idea where I found it! |
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Thanks everyone for their input and especially to Bob and others who took the time to post design drawings and their advice. I think I will give Bob's diode and thermistor design a try first as I have several of the CL-90s and a pack of 1N5408 diodes. I actually lost sleep last night over my clumsiness in losing the very rare 303 glass ballast in my mini-Hindenburg event. Oh the Humanity! Klutz!
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Just bought this 459 replacement on eBay. Looks like this company (JFD) did make a replacement for the 303 at one time. I'll either modify it or canabalize it to make Bob's replacement
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It isn't, but should work with a minor modification. The '303 has an extra element, but I'm pretty sure the TS-4H doesn't use it.
He will need to move the ac line from pin 5 to pin 6 |
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I noticed when fooling with series string electrostat TVs that the heater would flash on turn on, glow bright, and then subside.
I thought it was due to them not being controlled warm-up heaters in these jugs, including the Pilot 3KP4. Do I recall correctly? |
I believe that's due to the inrush of current. I've always brought this TV and my Pilot up on a Variac.
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Yes, it is due to the inrush of current when the filaments are cold. Using controlled warm up version (typically ending with 'A') does not eliminate the inrush current. It simply means it is well defined. Typically taking around 11 seconds for the filaments to warm up.
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The series string doubler electrostat should have had a heater transformer on the jug to extend its service life.
Do any restorers do this for working display sets? |
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The person that came up with this has a great scientific thread explaining how they work/how he came up with it over on ARF. |
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I'm building Bob's design. Waiting for the resistors. I think all I need to do is move the AC line from pin 6 to pin 5. I have 10 of the "Littlefuse" in the appropriate size for this TV. Bob's design incorporates a CL-90. Will that be enough to protect the TV from the surge?
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I built Bob's design for the replacement ballast but the CL-90 hasn't arrived yet so I bypassed it with a jumper and brought the TV up slowly. I'll solder it in once it comes. The image on the picture of the screen is not what it looks like. The bright area in the picture is spread out in a 3-4 configuration across the entire screen face. There's no video signal through the IF as before but there's audio.
My next question is does the electrostatic tube and focus in any way affect the installing of jacks for composite video? I'm not giving up on solving the IF issue but I'd like to know if that's an option. |
The thing that makes adding composite video dangerous is if you forget to plug the TV into a power isolation transformer your signal source device will be destroyed...
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I follow your poor story since a while.:tears: Do you have any signal tracer? They make it easy to find trouble sections in radios. Try one (see safety instructions when working on life chassis) to check the video amp and IF-section. Do you have a clean sound from a "TV station", means a DVD or VCR? Regards, TV-collector:stupid: |
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One bad but real possibility is that given the CRT is cathode fed it's video if a heater cathode short occurs it'll swamp out the video.
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What about the crt plug bad connection at the cathode wire within the plug itself.
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I also replaced C31, the 0.1uf cap that feeds pin 1 of the video amp with a tested new cap and I re-flowed the solder connections at all points.
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Well you could take the schematic and start at the video amp and work back from there with double checking all connections and components I’m sure you will come up with something we all make mistakes I have been in the same situation as you are with this set. It’s time consuming but it will be worth it especially if you have sound all that’s left is the video. Even one leg of a resistor placed in the wrong spot can be a headache it’s happened to me and all of us with these sets.
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OK thanks. Expecting a decent oscilloscope to arrive tomorrow and I also purchased a good 100X probe. I'm tired of trying to make this 45 year old analog Textronix work for me.
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Have you gone through the Sams resistance chart for the CRT and 6AU6 video amp?
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CRT and Video amp resistances are fine but pins 5 and 6 on the 3rd IF amp should be 1.2K and they are at <300 ohms. Both feed into the detector. The rest of the IF strip is fine. I have a parts chassis. I'm wondering if I should just swap out the detector.
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No, if you have sound but absolutely no vide, I seriously doubt it's the detector. A scope should give you the answer in a few minutes. Start at the detector and go through each stage to the CRT. At some point the signal will disappear and that will be the problem point. I suspect either something is open or shorted.
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Got it. I received my usb/laptop oscilloscope this evening and I’ll trace it out tomorrow night. Thanks Bob
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Between the detector and the CRT.
Check the signal at the grid of the video amp. Check the signal at the plate of the video amp. Check the signal at the cathode of the CRT. Note that the sound is picked off the screen of the 6AU6 video amp while the video comes off the plate. So I'm thinking it's possible that circuit is screwed up in some way that allows the signal off the screen to be OK, but not from the plate. |
Understood. Thank you very much!
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Keeping in mind, I just got this thing and my skills with it are very, VERY limited, I took pictures of the waveforms of the signals going into the video amp pin1, and out the video amp pin 5. The scope has an auto trigger and an auto adjustment feature that creates the best display parameters. First in pin 1 input from the detector. The second is pin 5 video output. Am I doing this trace correct so far? I've never looked at a video signal on an oscilloscope before. I'm feeding an RF modulated video into it and I have sound but no image information on the CRT...just a raster.
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