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old_tv_nut 04-06-2026 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dtvmcdonald (Post 3266890)
One astounding tidbit. Looking at the severe noise (the S/N of a sunlit scene
is like 2:1) I noticed something and measured the frequency response. That's the frequency response looking at the width and shape of a full dark-to-light sharp edge or light-to-dark or stripe test patterns. The 3dB down point.

Its 8 MHz. That's eight megahertz. Eight, 8, e i g h t. And it shows on the high end
Ikegami monitor I'm using. Why would they make such a thing when it was supposed
to feed a transmitter that surely not that wide, nor displays that wide either.

It does demonstrate how sharp iconoscopes can be, such as the talking one in Japan :-)

Is the horizontal scan rate 15750? If it's slower, the bandwidth will be less by the same ratio even though the horizontal resolution is high.

dtvmcdonald 04-06-2026 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by old_tv_nut (Post 3266895)
Is the horizontal scan rate 15750? If it's slower, the bandwidth will be less by the same ratio even though the horizontal resolution is high.

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Yes, its ~15750 Hz and ~60Hz, locked together, not locked to line.
Put another way, its 262+-1 @ 60p, the latter not locked to power line (since
all the power lines are DC).

But that's immaterial for my main measurement, which actually measured
the rise and fall times of sharp edges in an image. The ringing frequency of the noise agrees.

dtvmcdonald 04-06-2026 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Electronic M (Post 3266894)
Given it's a WWII guidance camera and that the military had a lot of leeway on how it used RF during the war it's possible the engineers foresaw the possibility of having a channel wider than 6MHz and higher scan rates for increased resolution for some special application and gave the video circuits enough bandwidth that one could swap the transmitter and tweak the scan to achieve that easily.

The lower the horizontal scan rate the higher, not lower , the resolution in pixels. In any case, I found a statement of 4.5 Mhz bandwidth for that system, and double sideband AM, black at 100% up modulation, but it didn't say whether the 4.5 Mhz was the baseband or the DB channel width. Somebody with a transmitter .... or the manuals ... should know. But nobody has manuals.


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