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Electronic M 02-23-2023 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris K (Post 3248974)
Just bought this 459 replacement on eBay. Looks like this company (JFD) did make a replacement for the 303 at one time. I'll either modify it or canabalize it to make Bob's replacement

If it's still good I'd leave it alone and add the CL-90 under chassis.

timmy 02-23-2023 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris K (Post 3248974)
Just bought this 459 replacement on eBay. Looks like this company (JFD) did make a replacement for the 303 at one time. I'll either modify it or canabalize it to make Bob's replacement

Plug it in try it who knows it may work most of those ballast rust up inside and they are just to old and don’t work.

Chris K 02-23-2023 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by timmy (Post 3248978)
Plug it in try it who knows it may work most of those ballast rust up inside and they are just to old and don’t work.

Can't hurt right? I've done plenty to F&$# up this TV. What more could I possibly do to hurt it?

Chris K 02-23-2023 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by timmy (Post 3248978)
Plug it in try it who knows it may work most of those ballast rust up inside and they are just to old and don’t work.

Says it's NOS so who knows. In the original box and packaging.

timmy 02-23-2023 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris K (Post 3248980)
Says it's NOS so who knows. In the original box and packaging.

Is that the ballast for your set because there are 2 different ones.

bandersen 02-23-2023 10:12 PM

It isn't, but should work with a minor modification. The '303 has an extra element, but I'm pretty sure the TS-4H doesn't use it.

He will need to move the ac line from pin 5 to pin 6

Chris K 02-23-2023 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bandersen (Post 3248987)
It isn't, but should work with a minor modification. The '303 has an extra element, but I'm pretty sure the TS-4H doesn't use it.

He will need to move the ac line from pin 5 to pin 6

That’s what I will do.

Pio1980 02-23-2023 10:23 PM

I noticed when fooling with series string electrostat TVs that the heater would flash on turn on, glow bright, and then subside.
I thought it was due to them not being controlled warm-up heaters in these jugs, including the Pilot 3KP4.
Do I recall correctly?

Chris K 02-24-2023 06:17 AM

I believe that's due to the inrush of current. I've always brought this TV and my Pilot up on a Variac.

bandersen 02-24-2023 09:46 AM

Yes, it is due to the inrush of current when the filaments are cold. Using controlled warm up version (typically ending with 'A') does not eliminate the inrush current. It simply means it is well defined. Typically taking around 11 seconds for the filaments to warm up.

Pio1980 02-24-2023 10:03 AM

The series string doubler electrostat should have had a heater transformer on the jug to extend its service life.
Do any restorers do this for working display sets?

Electronic M 02-24-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 3248997)
The series string doubler electrostat should have had a heater transformer on the jug to extend its service life.
Do any restorers do this for working display sets?

Some, though there's a better option. TVS (transient voltage suppressor) diodes (8.2V IIRC) in parallel with the heater will clip the peaks off the AC voltage clamping true AC RMS voltage at 6.3V. I'm planning on installing them in all my series sets next time I can place a mouser order.
The person that came up with this has a great scientific thread explaining how they work/how he came up with it over on ARF.

Chris K 02-26-2023 08:14 AM

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I'm building Bob's design. Waiting for the resistors. I think all I need to do is move the AC line from pin 6 to pin 5. I have 10 of the "Littlefuse" in the appropriate size for this TV. Bob's design incorporates a CL-90. Will that be enough to protect the TV from the surge?

timmy 02-26-2023 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris K (Post 3249068)
I'm building Bob's design. Waiting for the resistors. I think all I need to do is move the AC line from pin 6 to pin 5. I have 10 of the "Littlefuse" in the appropriate size for this TV. Bob's design incorporates a CL-90. Will that be enough to protect the TV from the surge?

CL-90 yup it will.

Chris K 03-02-2023 04:59 PM

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I built Bob's design for the replacement ballast but the CL-90 hasn't arrived yet so I bypassed it with a jumper and brought the TV up slowly. I'll solder it in once it comes. The image on the picture of the screen is not what it looks like. The bright area in the picture is spread out in a 3-4 configuration across the entire screen face. There's no video signal through the IF as before but there's audio.

My next question is does the electrostatic tube and focus in any way affect the installing of jacks for composite video? I'm not giving up on solving the IF issue but I'd like to know if that's an option.


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