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Kingfisher 09-24-2009 06:25 PM

Tube Stereo Radios
 
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Hmm...the forum seems a little slow right now. So I thought I would add a new thread. Tube stereo radios are technically the first boom boxes. Most were made in the 1960's but they didn't have CD players or cassette players built in because the technology wasn't there yet. Going through all my Sams photofacts from the '60's I discovered that there were several manufacturers, both domestic and foreign that made these. I got my first tube stereo radio while back in high school. It was an Arvin 35R58 that my parents got as a wedding present in 1968. My parents were originally going to sell it in a garage sale until I asked if I could have it for my bedroom. A few years ago I picked up another one at an estate sale for $5. It was a JVC Delmonico FMS-413u. I love the wood cabinet (the Arvin is plastic, and somewhat cheaply built). Panasonic apparently made one called model 911, but I've never seen a picture of it. Anyone have any stereo radios? Any pictures?

zenithfan1 09-24-2009 07:20 PM

Those are really neat looking, I'll keep my eyes peeled for one. I have a lot of radios but none like these. Good stuff!

stromberg67 09-24-2009 07:44 PM

That is a very nice looking radio! Reminds me of a Telefunken stereo table radio I repaired for an amateur radio person a while ago. had an open resistor in the B+ supply to the multiplex decoder. After the repair, the thing sounded so good I wanted to steal it! Got $20.00 for the work, which went for caps for a CTC-4 RCA color set.
Kevin

Sam Cogley 09-24-2009 10:04 PM

I have that JVC/Delmonico. I paid a bit more than $5 and it needs quite a bit of restoration...

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=251240

Kingfisher 09-25-2009 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Cogley (Post 2955439)
I have that JVC/Delmonico. I paid a bit more than $5 and it needs quite a bit of restoration...

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=251240

Looks can be deceiving. I still have yet to recap mine. There is a lot of caps to replace, plus I've had trouble trying to get the chassis out because of the dial string being connected to it. There seems to be a lot of high voltage (1000v) caps in this one. Bought the Sams Photofact for this model last year on e-pay because it was missing from my collection.

wa2ise 09-25-2009 04:37 PM

There was some marketing scamming going on as well, as witness this radio:
http://www.geocities.com/wa2ise/radios/fakestereo.jpg http://www.geocities.com/wa2ise/radios/silvamfm.jpg
These "balanced stereo speakers" in this Silvertone are just a pair of identical speakers wired in parallel, fed from a mono signal. This is rather misleading advertising...

Kingfisher 09-25-2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wa2ise (Post 2955525)
There was some marketing scamming going on as well, as witness this radio:
http://www.geocities.com/wa2ise/radios/fakestereo.jpg http://www.geocities.com/wa2ise/radios/silvamfm.jpg
These "balanced stereo speakers" in this Silvertone are just a pair of identical speakers wired in parallel, fed from a mono signal. This is rather misleading advertising...

Not surprised considering Silvertone being a cheap store brand from Sears. I wonder who actually made it? Also, stereo was the latest in audio technology back in the day, many companies just attached "stereo" or "stereophonic" to their product in order to sell it. I'd like to find a "stereophonic" lawn mower! :D

Sandy G 09-25-2009 05:12 PM

Then there's the Zenith MJ-1035...Never did get the outboard spkr for mine, & it REALLY needs to go see Dr. Dewick for a lube 'n' oil change one of these days...Not quite as sensitive as I thought it would be on FM, either...But all I have is a "T" antenna feeding it. They have as std equipment, a dorky "power cord is the antenna" arrangement...Which here in the hinterlands is about useless. ONE OF THESE DAYS, Unca Sandy is gonna get him a PROPER tower 'n' mount his Winegard complete w/rotator-ator & housewide distribution amp, & feed the MJ-1035, the Icom R-7000, the Yamaha RX-V1, the 2 Nems-Clarkes PROPER, STRONG signals so's they can fill this hovel w/Glorious Frequency Modulation sound...

batterymaker 09-25-2009 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingfisher (Post 2955529)
Not surprised considering Silvertone being a cheap store brand from Sears. I wonder who actually made it? Also, stereo was the latest in audio technology back in the day, many companies just attached "stereo" or "stereophonic" to their product in order to sell it. I'd like to find a "stereophonic" lawn mower! :D


Arvin probably made it.

bgadow 09-25-2009 11:06 PM

When I was a kid I had an Arvin given to me by an older couple that I knew. I was totally inept and couldn't figure out why it didn't work. For one thing, a tube was missing! Mostly it needed filter caps, had a terrible hum that would wake the dead. That one is long gone; I later found the same set branded as a Penncrest and should have bought it. Those had a decent wooden case. I do have a plastic case Arvin that I got from a TV shop. It has a problem that causes it to blow the rectifier filament. (I think I'm remembering that right) That set is very similiar to the one you have.

I've had several transistor Arvin stereos...I like 'em.

Chad Hauris 09-26-2009 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingfisher (Post 2955418)
Hmm...the forum seems a little slow right now. So I thought I would add a new thread. Tube stereo radios are technically the first boom boxes. Most were made in the 1960's but they didn't have CD players or cassette players built in because the technology wasn't there yet. Going through all my Sams photofacts from the '60's I discovered that there were several manufacturers, both domestic and foreign that made these. I got my first tube stereo radio while back in high school. It was an Arvin 35R58 that my parents got as a wedding present in 1968. My parents were originally going to sell it in a garage sale until I asked if I could have it for my bedroom. A few years ago I picked up another one at an estate sale for $5. It was a JVC Delmonico FMS-413u. I love the wood cabinet (the Arvin is plastic, and somewhat cheaply built). Panasonic apparently made one called model 911, but I've never seen a picture of it. Anyone have any stereo radios? Any pictures?

That Arvin is one of the first tube type radios I ever bought, back in 1984 or so. I can remember going to Radio Shack with my dad and getting a 50HK6 tube for it. I actually took the chassis out of that plastic cabinet and built my own wood cabinet for it. For some reason it quit working, maybe bad capacitors in the IF cans. I now have it here with me but haven't tried getting it working again yet.

Chad Hauris 09-26-2009 11:19 AM

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Here are some photos of my Arvin radio and chassis. I did save the original plastic cabinet but the knobs, speakers and some of the tubes are missing!

Phil Nelson 09-26-2009 12:00 PM

I guess this 1963 Philips fits in your category. Nice radio, and when was the last time you saw a cabinet made of solid wood rather than veneer?

http://antiqueradio.org/art/phil021.jpg

http://antiqueradio.org/phil02.htm

Phil Nelson

Kingfisher 09-26-2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Hauris (Post 2955619)
That Arvin is one of the first tube type radios I ever bought, back in 1984 or so. I can remember going to Radio Shack with my dad and getting a 50HK6 tube for it. I actually took the chassis out of that plastic cabinet and built my own wood cabinet for it. For some reason it quit working, maybe bad capacitors in the IF cans. I now have it here with me but haven't tried getting it working again yet.

Mine has a bad hum, part of the circuit board near the output tubes looked fried. I haven't used it in several years. This must have been one of the last tube models Arvin made since it was bought new in '68. Won't be finding any 50HK6 tubes at Rat Shack. They stopped selling that kind of stuff loooong ago. :no: Arvin was known for wierd tube numbers, 50HK6, 20EZ7, etc. It's often a dead giveaway as to who actually made some store branded radios.

Kingfisher 09-26-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil Nelson (Post 2955636)
I guess this 1963 Philips fits in your category. Nice radio, and when was the last time you saw a cabinet made of solid wood rather than veneer?

http://antiqueradio.org/art/phil021.jpg

http://antiqueradio.org/phil02.htm

Phil Nelson

Very Nice! :thmbsp:

Jeffhs 09-26-2009 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingfisher (Post 2955637)
Mine has a bad hum, part of the circuit board near the output tubes looked fried. I haven't used it in several years. This must have been one of the last tube models Arvin made since it was bought new in '68. Won't be finding any 50HK6 tubes at Rat Shack. They stopped selling that kind of stuff loooong ago. :no: Arvin was known for wierd tube numbers, 50HK6, 20EZ7, etc. It's often a dead giveaway as to who actually made some store branded radios.

Some Zenith MJ-1035s used 50EH5s in the output stages, while others had 50C5s in the same position. Mine (an MJ-1035-1 from 1965) has 50EH5s as the output tubes, and has a couple of tubes with 19-volt filaments as well, wired in a series-parallel arrangement with a filament transformer. The tubes are wired in two separate strings, with the transformer feeding both. I'll have to look at the schematic to see how that's done, as before this one I had never seen any radios with two series string wired in parallel with a transformer. I guess Zenith did it that way because of the two 50-volt output tubes, which could be a series filament string by itself--50 volts x2 equals 100 volts, close to the line voltage. However, in my MJ1035-1, one 50EH5 is in one string while the other is in the second string. I don't know offhand what the combined filament voltages of both strings would be (probably well over 200 volts, since the MJ1035 series had either eleven or twelve tubes). Zenith may have had no recourse but to use series-parallel wiring and a 6.3-volt filament transformer. The downside is that the B+ for the tubes is still derived from the AC line (in fact, the radio chassis is directly connected to one side of the line, as attested to by a warning on the back cover), so the filament transformer will not provide any kind of isolation. :no:

I agree that tubes are difficult to find these days, with everything being solid-state, surface-mount components and such. However, it is possible to find old tubes (even real oldies such as 01As, et al.) if you look around. John Kendall's Vintage Electronics (www.vintageelectronics.com) in suburban Baltimore has many vintage tubes currently for sale at dirt-cheap prices; I've purchased tubes on that site for my vintage sets that I might not have been able to find elsewhere. I don't know if John Kendall has 01As or anything older than the late '40s, but he does have tubes from the '50s to the end of the tube era.

One warning: While the price of the tubes on vintageelectronics.com may be low, the shipping charges, depending on where you live in relation to the Baltimore-Washington, D.C. area, could be quite high. I live in northeastern Ohio near Cleveland and found a shipping charge of something like $8 for my last order of tubes purchased from the site; the tubes themselves cost only about $2.25. This is shipping for tubes sent to Ohio; of course, shipping to other areas, especially to the West Coast, will be higher. Note as well that single tubes, even miniatures, will be shipped in large boxes, to survive the rigors of the USPS's automated sorting system. The reason tubes are not shipped in mailing envelopes, even padded ones, is precisely because of the automated sorting machinery. I was advised some time ago by an AK member that tubes sent in mailers would be crushed and/or smashed on their way through the sorting equipment, resulting in the customer receiving an envelope full of smashed glass and crushed metal.

Chad Hauris 09-26-2009 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingfisher (Post 2955637)
Mine has a bad hum, part of the circuit board near the output tubes looked fried. I haven't used it in several years. This must have been one of the last tube models Arvin made since it was bought new in '68. Won't be finding any 50HK6 tubes at Rat Shack. They stopped selling that kind of stuff loooong ago. :no: Arvin was known for wierd tube numbers, 50HK6, 20EZ7, etc. It's often a dead giveaway as to who actually made some store branded radios.

I remember the 20EZ7 tubes, luckily I didn't lose them! I think they are a 100 ma. heater version of a 12AX7. There are two filament strings in this radio, one with the IF, AM convertor and multiplex tubes which uses the 100ma filament tubes (18FY6, 18FX6, etc.)
and the other filament string which has the 150 ma. filament tubes (50HK6, 50C5 and 12DT8 plus a resistor).

I didn't learn till fairly recently that the 50HK6 has part of its filament as a fusible resistor for the silicon diode B+ supply (I know in other radios this is how the 50HK6 is used and presumably in this one too). I never could figure out as a kid why putting in 2 50C5's caused there to be no power.

Even in 1984 although Radio Shack did have a tube tester and tubes in stock they still had to special order the 50HK6 tube for me.

Kingfisher 09-26-2009 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Hauris (Post 2955649)
I remember the 20EZ7 tubes, luckily I didn't lose them! I think they are a 100 ma. heater version of a 12AX7.

I kind of figured that out based on the shape of the plate. I looked up the 20EZ7 some time ago out of curiosity and found that it is indeed similar to the 12AX7. Makes me wonder why no one has bothered using them for home-made amps as a 12AX7 alternative. I bought a couple from AES and they were cheap as dirt.

radiotvnut 09-27-2009 12:43 AM

Several years ago, I had a big Motorola table AM/FM stereo radio with phono input. It was in a wooden cabinet with two fold out speakers and a built in center channel speaker. I think it used 6BM8's for output tubes. The dial glass on mine was cracked in several places and I ended up selling the radio on epay when I thought I needed money.

sloober 09-27-2009 10:42 PM

Not exactly tabletop, but I got this last week. This one is stereo, but needs a rebuild. http://homepage.mac.com/johnhuber/AK...unkt/front.jpg

Sam Cogley 09-29-2009 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingfisher (Post 2955491)
Looks can be deceiving. I still have yet to recap mine. There is a lot of caps to replace, plus I've had trouble trying to get the chassis out because of the dial string being connected to it. There seems to be a lot of high voltage (1000v) caps in this one. Bought the Sams Photofact for this model last year on e-pay because it was missing from my collection.

I need to track that one down.


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