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Captain Video 08-26-2011 04:13 AM

That broke my heart!!!
 
I was watching a show on the History Channel called "Sliced" probably you guys know about it... the host of the show sliced in half a beautiful 1953 Philco console television just to "show" how it worked!!!:tears:

Even worse: the TV was actually working just seconds before he destroyed it!!!

I could not believe I was seeing he do what he did, I was so saddened and shocked and outraged... guess "ordinary" people just don't value those sets as us collectors do!!!

Here you can see in which date this horror show aired in the United States:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliced

magnasonic66 08-26-2011 04:40 AM

Those people are clearly morons. I saw one "Dirty Jobs" episode that started with Mike Rowe sitting on top of a decent looking black and white landfill console, thankfully did not see how that ended up.

Eric H 08-26-2011 05:01 AM

I left a negative comment and a thumbs down.
At least it was a fairly common set.

DaveWM 08-26-2011 09:54 AM

glad the clip was dubbed in spainish, kept me from understanding the idiot analysis (youtube). I never liked the premise of that show, cutting things up does little to explain how a thing works. I guess picking up a book and reading would be too much to ask...

Kevin Kuehn 08-26-2011 11:00 AM

I wonder how they justify having a show like American Pickers, and then Sliced on that channel. :scratch2: I agree it's a dumb show; mostly aimed at entertaining people that enjoy destruction.

VintagePC 08-26-2011 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Kuehn (Post 3012435)
I wonder how they justify having a show like American Pickers, and then Sliced on that channel. :scratch2: I agree it's a dumb show; mostly aimed at entertaining people that enjoy destruction.

Idiots. I'd mind it less if they actually did some research in to what they're destroying before it's done... why couldn't it have been a modern BPC set, those are common enough.

Eric H 08-26-2011 04:30 PM

Here's a link,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2VoEGU-8gc

Captain Video 08-26-2011 06:09 PM

Nice to know that one of the comments on the video is in Portuguese and is also from Brazil - another fellow collector. He wrote:

"Poxa,eu querendo um televisor deste para minha coleção e vocês estragam uma raridade desta" which can be translated as "Wow, I wanted a TV like this for my collection and you destroyed this rare set" ( here in Brazil console TVs from the 50's are rare ).

Electronic M 08-26-2011 10:15 PM

I restored a similar philco a while back, and it really irks me that they chopped up that one.

kramden66 08-27-2011 12:17 AM

One that was too far gone to do anything with would have not look as bad being cut up , but neither of those sets should have been cut up ( sliced ) .

mike

Tom Albrecht 08-27-2011 02:07 PM

I don't see this as so bad. Sets of this general category are plentiful, and we cannot find homes for all of them. Lots of them going to the dumpster these days. If someone watching this show gets interested in vintage TV technology as a result, it's actually a plus for everyone involved. Just might get one more collector interested in antique TVs.

Eric H 08-27-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Albrecht (Post 3012528)
I don't see this as so bad. Sets of this general category are plentiful.

True, but it would have been nice to swap CRT's with him for a dud, that one looked good.

Idea! How about cutting a TV show host in half to see what makes him work? :scratch2:
Or one of the Kardashians, though I expect they might be hollow inside.

Dan Starnes 08-27-2011 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric H (Post 3012530)
Idea! How about cutting a TV show host in half to see what makes him work? :scratch2:
Or one of the Kardashians, though I expect they might be hollow inside.

Amen

DaveWM 08-27-2011 05:08 PM

if you did you may still have to deal with the implosion due to the vacuum inside the host head.

kramden66 08-27-2011 06:12 PM

I can see it now , someone sees this show , gets their hands on a vintage tv set , they decide to slice it , they get to the crt and then BOOM .

mike

tvcollector 08-27-2011 06:16 PM

Funny how you notice watching the video, right after the set was turned off, it shows a dark round spot in the middle of the tube, like it went to air, and then a few clips later it's not there, but there again when he starts slicing the cabinet, looks like they damaged the tube before slicing the set, and clips were probably not in order..

He wasted money and something that's apart of history.. He should have used some CRT TV from the 90's or maybe more recent.. While I was watching the clip, i was thinking to myself, he should go over there and slice that flat screen plasma TV, and sure enough he did.. Should have left it on...

MelodyMaster 08-27-2011 08:21 PM

Clips never are in order, that's called "Editing." They thought of further comments after breaking the pip on the tube. Note that he connector had been removed before they started slicing.

Glenz75 08-28-2011 07:04 PM

What a waste! I would give my eye teeth to find something like that here...and it was working too..dumb ass idiots... I would have bashed that flat panel set and then given that host a bash too! GRRRR:no:

Sandy G 08-28-2011 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric H (Post 3012530)
True, but it would have been nice to swap CRT's with him for a dud, that one looked good.

Idea! How about cutting a TV show host in half to see what makes him work? :scratch2:
Or one of the Kardashians, though I expect they might be hollow inside.

NO !!! If you cut one of the Kardashians half in two, you run the risk that she/it might just grow into TWO Kims, Khloes, or whatever...Similar to what happens if you break off a leaf of certain plants...

Eric H 08-28-2011 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 3012609)
NO !!! If you cut one of the Kardashians half in two, you run the risk that she/it might just grow into TWO Kims, Khloes, or whatever...Similar to what happens if you break off a leaf of certain plants...

Or when you cut a Worm in two!

bgadow 08-28-2011 09:47 PM

Sad that those sets aren't worth more; I think that crt is a 21YP4 or 21ZP4. Not extremely rare but worth saving. I think a color set from the 80s/90s would have more informative and, to most viewer, just as "old" in their mind.

Robert Grant 08-28-2011 10:00 PM

Anyone suppose they chose to cut apart a B&W set because of what could happen when the blade teeth caught the invar shadow mask?

Still agree that cutting apart that TV was a dumb thing to do.

VintagePC 08-29-2011 07:35 AM

Hell, you can see it when they take a chainsaw to the sony flatscreen set (seriously, WTF?). The show is for people who like destruction, not people who are interested in how things work.

dieseljeep 08-29-2011 09:31 AM

The british show "Secret Life of Machines" showed a rectangular color CRT cut in half. They must've used a diamond blade, because the cut was real clean.

VintagePC 08-29-2011 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieseljeep (Post 3012668)
The british show "Secret Life of Machines" showed a rectangular color CRT cut in half. They must've used a diamond blade, because the cut was real clean.

either that or they have a good laser cutter setup...

Dude111 08-29-2011 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Video
I could not believe I was seeing he do what he did, I was so saddened and shocked and outraged... guess "ordinary" people just don't value those sets as us collectors do!!!

No most ppl think this new FLAT SCREEN garbage is better :(

Tom Albrecht 08-29-2011 11:51 PM

If people are just looking for destruction, they would watch Letterman toss things from high buildings or run over them with a asphalt roller. This show spent a lot more time talking about how things worked than showing the destruction.

Clearly, it was a little of both, since there are better ways to get a flat screen TV apart for inspection than using a chain saw.

compu_85 09-11-2011 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VintagePC (Post 3012679)
either that or they have a good laser cutter setup...

I always wondered how they made those "models"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wVIa...EF02CFDA6F28A9

FWIW seeing that show when I was young really got me interested in how things work. Many fond memories.

cwmoser 09-11-2011 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Grant (Post 3012629)
Anyone suppose they chose to cut apart a B&W set because of what could happen when the blade teeth caught the invar shadow mask?

Still agree that cutting apart that TV was a dumb thing to do.

I'm an admitted novice on much of TV technology ... what is the "invar shadow mask"? This piques my curiousity:-)

Thanks

Carl

Electronic M 09-11-2011 01:40 PM

A shadow mask is a metal sheet that is perforated in the same or a similar pattern to the phosphor dot pattern and spaced somewhere arround an inch back from the phosphors such that it helps keep the three color electron beams from strikeing the wrong color phosphor dots in color CRTs. When I was a kid a destroyed all but the screen of a delta gun rectangular tube so my friends and I could see our selves on the screen before the garbage man got the set. That was the best look I ever had at the inside of a delta gun tube.

If you really want to see the inside of a delta gun tube I have a non-rebuildable one (the screen cracked during a cateract removal attempt) that I've been wanting to get good enough cuting equipment to cut-away parts so it can be made into a display of what really is inside of a color CRT. I probably will never have access or the budget for the proper equipment to do such, but would gladly donate it to the ETF if they would agree to do such and make it into a display...

Tom C.

old_tv_nut 09-11-2011 05:32 PM

see this page for a picture of the cutaway that ETF has:
http://www.earlytelevision.org/2006_convention.html

Robert Grant 09-11-2011 10:19 PM

May I also mention that "invar" is a trademark for a metal alloy that can withstand a significant range of temperatures without contracting or expanding (most metals expand when heated, a few contract, IIRC).

Without invar, the front of a CRT color TV set would have to be kept at exactly the right temperature, lest the mask change size, and the beams from the three electron guns would strike the wrong color dots around the edges.

old_tv_nut 09-11-2011 10:23 PM

Actually, Invar is not the only fix for shadow mask expansion. There were patents granted (and used) for expansion-compensating shadow mask mounts such that when the mask expanded, it would move closer to the screen to compensate.

fox_rivers 02-27-2012 12:13 AM

Hope he got sick from the Philco's phosphor and from the mercury contained in the CCFL backlight that flat panel had.

akent36 02-29-2012 11:45 AM

Not much worse than all the TV's, radios and console stereos that go into a dumpster after the donation auctions at the major swapmeets every year.

charokeeroad 03-02-2012 02:30 PM

hunerd dollars to the first guy that can cut a CRT in half from front to back without damage!
(must be a dead one to start with of course)

old_tv_nut 03-02-2012 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charokeeroad (Post 3028782)
hunerd dollars to the first guy that can cut a CRT in half from front to back without damage!
...

To the CRT or himself?

charokeeroad 03-03-2012 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old_tv_nut (Post 3028820)
To the CRT or himself?

Either way but start with the CRT.


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