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ronl 12-10-2024 04:06 PM

VHS coming back?
 
Hi Members.I just saw that the latest in the Alien movie franchise is releasing a special edition on VHS format.complete with a sticker printed to look faded. I know records has seen a comeback but vhs? Acording to the article,some old vhs releases are going for decent money!Are we going to see new VHS machines being built like record players are? RonL. https://www.space.com/entertainment/...rce=SmartBrief

colortrakker 12-10-2024 05:35 PM

Thanks in part to Guardians Of The Galaxy and Stranger Things, cassettes are becoming the new vinyl. So I don't think it would be much of a stretch to think that VHS would make a comeback alongside it.

(Although if the Z kids find out about CED and that starts getting popular, I'm out.)

DVtyro 12-11-2024 12:18 AM

This is just another idiocy to sell physical media, in particular, physical media that cannot be copied losslessly. VHS is even more stupid than compact cassettes - there is no new tape, and no new machines. At best, they have found unused reels that they stowed twenty years ago just in case, and they think the time has come to cash it. Na-ah. Give me a proper Blu-ray. Actually, I don't care. I hate franchises. The only franchise I accept is "Back to the Future". I also watched "Terminator 2".

Alex KL-1 12-11-2024 11:10 AM

+1 for the Terminator 2.

ARC Tech-109 12-11-2024 02:31 PM

another +1 for T-2 (have on laserdisc)

luRaichu 12-11-2024 07:25 PM

I think the "new" turntables they sell in big-box stores are expensive trash platters. So are new walkmans/cassette decks. They all use the exact same shotty mechanism (with plastic fudging flywheels) made by a single company in China. For analog playback and recording equipment you're much better off saving money and buying vintage machines manufactured in the 80s or 70s or so (when the technology reached its peak). That said I don't believe new VCRs will ever be made due to the mechanical complexity & even if they were any model you'd find at the brick and mortar store should be a total piece of crud. Cheap plastic parts galore. Maybe something targeting high end hipsters flush with cash would be built right but you'd be paying through the nose. Still better off buying old equipment at that point...

As for new VHS releases, I am not aware of the quality. Seems like the latest analog fad designed to milk old stock. I know some new music releases on audio cassette are decent and othera really stink. The one I tried had lossy treble & I could hear the other side of the tape in the background.

ARC Tech-109 12-11-2024 08:37 PM

While I respect your opinion I'm going to respectfully ask that you keep your replies family friendly with a PG rating. I'm with you on the modern day retro-fad junk.

luRaichu 12-12-2024 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ARC Tech-109 (Post 3261397)
While I respect your opinion I'm going to respectfully ask that you keep your replies family friendly with a PG rating. I'm with you on the modern day retro-fad junk.

Done. Through the magic of the internet all is made well again and they'll never know what I originally was saying :thmbsp:

Dude111 12-18-2024 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex KL-1
+1 for the Terminator 2.

I have T2 recordsd from analogue cable and its goregous!! (The Movie channel)

DVtyro 12-19-2024 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 3261463)
I have T2 recordsd from analogue cable and its goregous!! (The Movie channel)

I have it on a Blu-ray disc, and it is gorgeous.

Dude111 12-20-2024 10:31 PM

:)

ChrisW6ATV 12-26-2024 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ronl (Post 3261375)
I know records have seen a comeback but vhs?

This is indeed even sillier than the "vinyl album comeback" thing, but I thoroughly doubt that VHS will return at all. (Some artists have released music on cassettes in recent years too, just as silly.) Unlike what some people claim for vinyl records, no one thinks VHS tapes are "better than" DVDs or laser discs, let alone HD formats.

djski 01-12-2025 04:16 AM

VHS never left my husehold. I have over a hundred movies on VHS and I never had the time to digitize them. I visit the local Goodwill's and often snag a very good VHS deck for under ten dollars which keeps me watching my archived movies as the decks eventually conk out..

init4fun 01-12-2025 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisW6ATV (Post 3261587)
This is indeed even sillier than the "vinyl album comeback" thing, but I thoroughly doubt that VHS will return at all. (Some artists have released music on cassettes in recent years too, just as silly.) Unlike what some people claim for vinyl records, no one thinks VHS tapes are "better than" DVDs or laser discs, let alone HD formats.

Chris makes a valid point here.

There are still enough people willing to buy records to make them commercially viable. The reasons being nostalgia, some see a "cool factor" in them, and some believe "they just sound better". All subjective opinion based reasons for sure, but there is enough of "the juice being worth the squeeze" there to give the vinyl record enough popularity to attract manufacturers to produce them. VHS on the other hand is very niche market at best, as I myself well recall people hated the fragility of both the tapes and the machines that play them when they were the only game in town, and I've not yet seen any great nostalgia trip regarding videotape machines.

Who knows, maybe Taylor Swift will release her next concert video on VHS, but anything short of that and I honestly believe VHS is only gonna live on till the last of us old TV collectors die off.

Lastly, something to think about, how many vintage TV collectors do we have here, and how many of us collect VHS?

(Not this old guy, I pulled my last spooled up / wrapped up tape from around a video head long ago ;))

Zenith26kc20 01-12-2025 07:02 PM

Please no! If a new machine is made, Funai? Will it be VHS/DVD?
I have both Beta & VHS. Mr Betamax keeps my Beta going but nobody I know of really repairs VHS. My surviving VHS are Panasonic.

redk9258 01-12-2025 07:48 PM

I highly doubt new machines will be made. Nobody knows how to anymore. The machines that made the heads, etc. have probably been scrapped long ago. To design and tool up to make a VCR only to sell a small amount would not be cost effective.

DVtyro 01-12-2025 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by init4fun (Post 3261805)
There are still enough people willing to buy records to make them commercially viable. The reasons being nostalgia, some see a "cool factor" in them, and some believe "they just sound better". All subjective opinion based reasons for sure, but there is enough of "the juice being worth the squeeze" there to give the vinyl record enough popularity to attract manufacturers to produce them. VHS on the other hand is very niche market at best, as I myself well recall people hated the fragility of both the tapes and the machines that play them when they were the only game in town, and I've not yet seen any great nostalgia trip regarding videotape machines.

Vinyl records and turntables can be produced in a third-world country. The Soviets made very decent turntables, but no domestic CD players, and the only VCR they made they copied from a 1977 Panasonic model and produced into the early 1990s. Video is much more high-tech than vinyl. No way it returns.

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Originally Posted by init4fun (Post 3261805)
Who knows, maybe Taylor Swift will release her next concert video on VHS, but anything short of that and I honestly believe VHS is only gonna live on till the last of us old TV collectors die off.

The guy I like is so into retro that he even taped parts of his show on a Panasonic VHS camcorder.

Neal Francis - Francis Comes Alive: The Movie

But I don't think this gimmick will last long. His last video is overdone. My VHS has never looked that bad :)

Neal Francis - What's Left Of Me

DVtyro 01-12-2025 10:41 PM

Oh, and this is my medical VCR: SVHS, Hi-Fi (selectable Hi-Fi or linear), built-in TBC and DNR. Too bad it cannot play LP nor EP. Feel free to click the image for an YT video :)

https://i9.ytimg.com/vi/Xoft92VctQY/...OKWGj0d-u8b2fA

ChrisW6ATV 01-14-2025 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by init4fun (Post 3261805)
how many vintage TV collectors do we have here, and how many of us collect VHS?

In case this was a true question and not "rhetorical":

I have "collected" a number of old and newer VHS and Beta VCRs, without trying too hard. RCA VBT200 and VCT400, a mid-1980s Panasonic, and some late higher-end JVCs (HR-S9900U, HR-S10000U, HM-DH30000U). The Betas go from Sony SL-6200/LV-1901, to SL-8200, and a couple of early/mid-1980s basic models to an SL-HF750, and my restored but bought-new EDV-9500.

Pre-recorded tapes were never my thing (that is what Laser Discs are for), but I do have one of the original fifty Magnetic Video titles from 1977 (The Towering Inferno).

init4fun 01-14-2025 01:27 PM

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Wow great answers everyone! I really appreciate hearing the perspective of my fellow people who collect vintage TVs :thmbsp:

I have exactly three videotape machines, and none are VHS or Beta. one is an AKAI VTS -110 Monochrome camcorder, another is a Sony AV 5000A color videorecorder, and lastly a Hitachi SV-512 Time Lapse Recorder that I believe is monochrome and possibly was part of a video security system? (Not sure what other use there would be for time lapse video?) All three are open reel systems ("reel to reel" as it were) and I've saved them due to the relative rarity of such vintage equipment.

init4fun 01-14-2025 01:58 PM

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Oh cool, it did post up the Sony pic, I guess I'll try the Hitachi........ :scratch2:

init4fun 01-14-2025 02:20 PM

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And the AKAI....

ChrisW6ATV 01-14-2025 11:30 PM

Very cool equipment. Your Hitachi might have been the machine that recorded the Patty Hearst video! (The famous time-lapse tape in which the former kidnapping victim is now a bank robber with a machine gun.)

ARC Tech-109 01-15-2025 10:09 AM

Very nice to see some EIAJ still in circulation, remember them well.

Electronic M 01-16-2025 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by init4fun (Post 3261829)
Wow great answers everyone! I really appreciate hearing the perspective of my fellow people who collect vintage TVs :thmbsp:

I have exactly three videotape machines, and none are VHS or Beta. one is an AKAI VTS -110 Monochrome camcorder, another is a Sony AV 5000A color videorecorder, and lastly a Hitachi SV-512 Time Lapse Recorder that I believe is monochrome and possibly was part of a video security system? (Not sure what other use there would be for time lapse video?) All three are open reel systems ("reel to reel" as it were) and I've saved them due to the relative rarity of such vintage equipment.

Cool to know of another AV-5000A owner! I've got one sans lid. It actually recorded and played back the last time I powered it up....
I've got a fairly decent video tape recorder collection myself.
I've got ~15 2" quadruplex tapes (no deck)
Type A and C 1" decks and what I believe are 3 boxes of recorded type C tapes...I haven't gotten to trying to make the decks work yet.
A 60'S 1" Sony (NV?) deck (no tapes)
I've got Shibaden and Panasonic 1/2" decks that predate EIAJ (if I could find a Sony CV deck I'd have the 3 major pre-eiaj formats...I think I have a couple of CV tapes)
3-4 EIAJ decks, one monochrome, the AV5000A non-standard color, a EIAJ standard color deck and I think either another standard color or monochrome portable...And a LOT of tapes.
I've got a cartrivision deck and tape (need to play with it...life has been busy since I got it).
4 Umatic decks including both first year Sony models and several boxes of tapes with a variety of material.
A quasar great time machine and tapes (another one I need to play with).
I have the first 3 models of betamax (granted the third is the Zenith rebadge) including the LV-1901 and the Zenith Betamax/Chromacolor II combo console, Zeniths version of the first Sony front loader, some more pedestrian mono front loaders, a BetaHiFi deck, a superbetaHiFI deck, an ED Betamax I imported from Japan, a couple of camcorders and a decent amount of tapes.
I've got a bunch of VHS decks... Especially S-VHS decks (I bought every one that the thrifts here got) and recently finally got some knob tuned top loaders and D-VHS decks and tapes. A decent collection of released tapes and a bigger collection of stuff I recorded off cable.

Mostly I'm content with my collection but I would like a betamax changer, and a W-VHS deck....Once I have those and fix what I have I'll probably not be really looking for more...

I'm not sure VHS collecting will die with us...There are folks that pay big money for most decks and many movies on the format how many of them will specialize in maintaining their decks remains to be seen though.

init4fun 01-22-2025 02:39 PM

Tom, if I had an easy & cheap way of getting the Sony & Hitachi to ya, they'd already be yours (The AKAI is my keeper). Just know that I'd put great odds on them not working as they sit, I got them with the rest of the contents of a defunct Radio/TV repair shop....

Electronic M 01-22-2025 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by init4fun (Post 3261921)
Tom, if I had an easy & cheap way of getting the Sony & Hitachi to ya, they'd already be yours (The AKAI is my keeper). Just know that I'd put great odds on them not working as they sit, I got them with the rest of the contents of a defunct Radio/TV repair shop....

:thmbsp: If you know anyone in your area that attends the spring ETF I've been to that meet every year since I graduated college a decade ago.

I sometimes take long trips to get things...My CTC-4 came from Birmingham Al, memorial day I drove to Wyoming to get that Zenith Chromacolor betamax combo, and for the fall ETF I overshot into Pennsylvania to meet another collector to get a CTC-7 I really wanted, and some cool tube color table top sets.

Dude111 02-04-2025 08:17 AM

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Oriiginally posted by djski
....I have over a hundred movies on VHS and I never had the time to digitize them.....
Good dont buddy.keep them analogue you will happier :) (Just talke care of em)

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Originally posted by redk9258
I highly doubt new machines will be made. Nobody knows how to anymore.
Ya sadly all they know how to make now is trash!!

DVtyro 02-05-2025 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 3262144)
Good dont buddy.keep them analogue you will happier :) (Just talke care of em)

Ya sadly all they know how to make now is trash!!

You are laying it too thick, bro. Good trolling is subtle :wave:

Dude111 02-10-2025 05:00 PM

I donrt do that buddy...I mean what I say :)


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