1959 zenith has no horz. hold?

[radiotron]

hello
my 1959 zenith 21"
has no horiz hold! you gan get it so close to where it just barely moves then it starts going again!
whats wrong with it?
IVE CHECKED THE TUBES

[josephdaniel]

Have you checked and or cleaned the pot? Recapped the set or checked for out of tolorence resistors?

[radiotron]

Originally Posted by josephdaniel

Have you checked and or cleaned the pot? Recapped the set or checked for out of tolorence resistors?

yes the horz. curcits been recapped,
tubes replaced to, could it be the yoke?
becouse the yoke buzzes when the sets on
yes ive cleaned the controls, but vertical is just fine.

[dieseljeep]

Originally Posted by radiotron

hello
my 1959 zenith 21"
has no horiz hold! you gan get it so close to where it just barely moves then it starts going again!
whats wrong with it?
IVE CHECKED THE TUBES

It's been ages since I worked on one of those. I don't have a schematic in front of me, so I cant comment much. Does that chassis use the dual phasing diode? It's a tiny black plastic three lead component.
If it has one of those, it's a strong possibility, that's your problem.
In your reply, include the chassis number.

[radiotron]

Originally Posted by dieseljeep

It's been ages since I worked on one of those. I don't have a schematic in front of me, so I cant comment much. Does that chassis use the dual phasing diode? It's a tiny black plastic three lead component.
If it has one of those, it's a strong possibility, that's your problem.
In your reply, include the chassis number.

is this the chaissis?
its on a green sticker that says 16e21?
on the back it says super h-20 chaissis
can someone show a picture of this dual phasing diode, becouse next to horz. tube on the scamatic it talks about some kind of diode

[dieseljeep]

Originally Posted by radiotron

is this the chaissis?
its on a green sticker that says 16e21?
on the back it says super h-20 chaissis
can someone show a picture of this dual phasing diode, becouse next to horz. tube on the scamatic it talks about some kind of diode

16E21 is the chassis number. Maybe that model used a plug in dual diode.
It's a little black or gray component, about 5/8 ot 3/4 long, by 3/8 thick, by 1/2 high. It has wire type pins on it. It comes in three different configurations: common cathode, series connected and common anode. The case is beveled on one end.

[Phil Nelson]

This pic may give you the general idea. My 1959 Predicta uses this dual plug-in diode in a horizontal circuit.

Phil Nelson

[radiotron]

ok heres what i found.....
theres something called an AFC DIODE on the scamatic.
is that it?
if so then its soldered underneath the chaissis
white with a tan top.

[dieseljeep]

Originally Posted by radiotron

ok heres what i found.....
theres something called an AFC DIODE on the scamatic.
is that it?
if so then its soldered underneath the chaissis
white with a tan top.

That's it! I looked at the Sams. It's under the chassis in front of the 6GH8 socket. It's a common cathode type.
Every time I had problems with the horizontal hold and there was one used, that was the first item I replaced. It corrected the problem 90% of the time. I always carried them in my tube caddy.

[radiotron]

Originally Posted by dieseljeep

That's it! I looked at the Sams. It's under the chassis in front of the 6GH8 socket. It's a common cathode type.
Every time I had problems with the horizontal hold and there was one used, that was the first item I replaced. It corrected the problem 90% of the time. I always carried them in my tube caddy.

yep thats it! thanks!

[dieseljeep]

Originally Posted by radiotron

yep thats it! thanks!

I don't know why they used that type of component. It's a tiny selenium pack. I looked at my RCA CTC53 and it still uses one.
They might be still available, NOS. I also wonder if 1N4148 diodes can be used instead.

[bandersen]

I imagine it was cheaper than using a 6AL5 dual diode tube like older sets did. 4148s might not be able to handle enough voltage. I recall ctc17 suggested that dual schottky diode diodes salvaged from PC power supplies can be used.

[kx250rider]

Sounds like a sync problem. I'd check any caps in the sync separator circuit, and from there to the horizontal oscillator circuit. As far as the horizontal hold control, it's usually a coil with a slug on Zeniths; not a pot. I don't know that exact chassis, but it might be on the back with the slug broken off, or white plastic shaft missing. That happened a lot because people would jam the back onto the set and be careless with threading the horizontal hold shaft through it's hole in the back cover.

Charles

[old_coot88]

Originally Posted by dieseljeep

...Every time I had problems with the horizontal hold and there was one used, that was the first item I replaced. It corrected the problem 90% of the time. I always carried them in my tube caddy.

Ditto here. But it was more like 99% of the time. And it was always a common cathode type. I honestly don't remember ever encountering or replacing a common-anode or series type, although the Boss kept all 3 types in stock, and in the caddy.

[N2IXK]

The NTE113 or ECG113 is a direct replacement for the common cathode types. No longer manufactured (certainly because of lack of demand), but still available from old stock at many distributors:

http://shop.vetcosurplus.com/catalog...oducts_id=1751

http://www.talonix.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=11959

http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/ecg.html