The official "I still use VHS" thread - Page 7 - Videokarma.org TV - Video

Ed in Tx · #91 05-07-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dude111

This page tells the truth about DVD and VHS quality audio/video (Which i think is much better)

http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001...12921.289.html

Whoever wrote that mentioned "vertical resolution" but failed to mention horizontal resolution (i.e., video bandwidth or frequency response) which is the important "spec" since NTSC is fixed with 525 vertical lines. Standard VHS reproduces 250 lines horiz resolution (or about 3 mHz video bandwidth or frequency response) at best, likewise Beta. DVD has a video bandwidth out to over 6 mHz. equal to 480 horiz lines. Both VHS and Beta downconvert the chroma which kills the color resolution into color blurs superimposed onto the b&w image. S-VHS and ED-Beta achieved up to 5-6 mHz video equal over 400 horiz lines but they still downconverted the chroma. S-VHS/ ED-Beta at their optimum, and with time base corrrection, can certainly look about as good as a DVD.

Dude111 · #92 05-07-2011, 12:18 PM

But they sound MUCH BETTER than DVD! (I have many movies i am grateful to have on VHS

(Recorded in the 80s)) you can hear and see the difference!! (@ least i can)

Ed in Tx · #93 05-07-2011, 06:00 PM

Well that's certainly debatable too. VHS Hi Fi sounds excellent when all's right, but can have artifacts in the audio like head switching noise, tape path misalignment noise, and varying noise floor from the compander noise reduction Hi Fi uses to get the s/n down to a low level. But it's sure a hell of a lot better than the linear stereo tracks (mono track split in two) Hi Fi replaced before that stereo format got too far.

I have plenty of examples of DTS and Dolby Digital that are incredible audio quality wise. Several music albums released in multichannel DVD-A, DTS and Dolby Digital. Funny that writer prefers old 2-channel Dolby Surround which as I recall was derived from their early QS-SQ matrix surround. Heck I still have a Sansui QSD-1 4 channel synthesizer-decoder circa about 1976 set up for 4 channel listening but things have improved greatly since.

ChrisW6ATV · #94 05-08-2011, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dude111

This page tells the truth about DVD and VHS quality audio/video (Which i think is much better)

http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001...12921.289.html

Maybe someone believed that article when it was written in 2001, but in 2011 it is a joke. VHS in a "home theater"?

The one thing they got right may be the name of the Web site itself, "adequacy". Home theater is about excellence, not adequacy.

Dude111 · #95 05-10-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Username1

....I know people who have said they got rid of all their vhs and got all their movied in DVD. And the same people got rid of their records and tapes to get CD's. I can't see it. Why rebuy stuff like that? I have some vhs movies I watch 100 times or more and they still look like the first watching......

Yes its stupid....

They are losing quality and dont care...... I am a purist,I PREFER QUALITY!!

Visual · #96 07-01-2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed in Tx

Not really that uncommon to wear out heads. Those old mechanisms would go many more hours than the heads might last. I used to replace a lot of VCR head assemblies back in the heyday. Ordered a lot of them from a company called ASTI Magnetics (which surprizingly is still in business) aftermarket at a fraction of the OEM price so the repair cost would be affordable, and performance as good or better than original.

hi-here a cool Pioneer beta vcr

Dude111 · #97 12-08-2013, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisW6ATV

Maybe someone believed that article when it was written in 2001, but in 2011 it is a joke.

I dont see why you think the page is a joke.....

VHS is analog and ANALOG HAS ALWAYS BEEN NICER!! (The sound is nicer and a true analog picture is quite nice too!!)

I have cable and DirecTV so i have to look @ compromised video and its horrible! (Sound isnt as natural sounding either (compromised) (I dont care to watch much of it to be quite frank with you about it!))

Also I would rather watch movies I have loved ALL MY LIFE in the same analogue format I have always loved them in! (I want them to look/sound EXACTLY THE SAME) I want them to be THE BEST THEY CAN BE and its sad this digital crap has infested our world.... Its total garbage!!

Its sad today: People are satisfied with LESS and its quite sad.........

walterbeers · #98 12-08-2013, 03:05 PM

I still use my VHS, and have a bunch of movies that I watch from time to time. Also there is always a good selection of cheap tapes at thrift stores, and lots of people just give away there collections. It a good way to get retro movies for cheap or even free. I used to repair lots of them when I was doing electronics repair as an income, and generally all they required was cleaning, belts, idler tires, and an occasional plastic gear or some other little piece in the tape mechanism. Occasionally I had to replace/ re cap switch mode supplies in the "newer models".

Electronic M · #99 12-08-2013, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dude111

I dont see why you think the page is a joke.....

VHS is analog and ANALOG HAS ALWAYS BEEN NICER!! (The sound is nicer and a true analog picture is quite nice too!!)

I have cable and DirecTV so i have to look @ compromised video and its horrible! (Sound isnt as natural sounding either (compromised) (I dont care to watch much of it to be quite frank with you about it!))

Also I would rather watch movies I have loved ALL MY LIFE in the same analogue format I have always loved them in! (I want them to look/sound EXACTLY THE SAME) I want them to be THE BEST THEY CAN BE and its sad this digital crap has infested our world.... Its total garbage!!

Its sad today: People are satisfied with LESS and its quite sad.........

The single scratch ruining a disc argument in that article is complete rubbish, but the rest is fairly accurate.

I'll add the following arguments to the topic to stimulate thought. Because DVDs are compressed the video compression usually has a threshold for how small of motion it will capture...This reduces noise, but also causes problems like causing a smooth pan to become choppy, and causing a distant characters mouth not to move on some words or not move at all after compression. basically reducing motion resolution.

One thing to keep in mind is that regular VHS has resolutions below that of the NTSC standard so a properly mastered DVD will likely have more resolution on a stationary image and possibly less noise. This can be noticeable even if your TV is a NTSC unit as mine are, especially if it is one of the higher performance models.

Both methods have their drawbacks, but I rather average noise in my head than deal with compression artifacts. Another thing to consider is that there are better analog formats than VHS. S-VHS, LaserDisc, SuperBetamax, ED Betamax, and W-VHS all have better resolution than regular VHS, and in the case of W-VHS analog HD resolutions were the goal of the design!

When it comes to prerecorded stuff analog may never be fully displaced in my entertainment system. Though it has been displaced in my archiving of broadcast programs. Since DVD-Rs are cheaper than tape(and easier to find), smaller, and all broadcast material I can get is hopelessly compressed anyway so the main advantage of tape is not achievable....It is interesting to go back to before the compression was so egregious and compare my early DVD recordings of TV shows to the S-VHS-ET recordings I made. I literally ran a DVD recorder and a VCR and taped the same thing on two different formats for a while before deciding DVD better served the purpose. S-VHS in SP is virtually indistinguishable from DVD as far as resolution of material recorded off a cable TV source...S-VHS is especially hard to distinguish from the cable source since it lacks the added compression artifacts of DVD.

Jon A. · #**100** 12-08-2013, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by walterbeers

I still use my VHS, and have a bunch of movies that I watch from time to time. Also there is always a good selection of cheap tapes at thrift stores, and lots of people just give away there collections. It a good way to get retro movies for cheap or even free.

Oh yeah, my store rocks for tape selection. I haven't watched any of mine yet, both of my VCRs are getting re-belted first. I have the Sharp VC-581C and a Hitachi-built RCA VMT285. One of the best things about working at that store, I don't have to deal with flakes not answering emails as I did with the online classifieds. Also, a lot of them wouldn't hold an item until I could get there on the bus even if it was a free give. At the store, it's just find, buy, done. The prices are a lot better too. I'd rather pay a nominal fee for something I want than deal with those online flakes.

TVTim · #**101** 12-08-2013, 07:14 PM

I still record TV shows on VHS. So much easier than DVDs. I've had DVDs mess up and not record the show. Never an issue with VHS.

Combo units are great also. They are very difficult to find as newer recorders are taking over.

Dangler · #**102** 12-08-2013, 07:23 PM

I record shows that I want to keep that are on the hard drive of my Directv receiver to VHS. It won't let me copy anything to DVD from the hard drive, but I can record them from the VHS to DVD with no problem.