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Old 03-20-2023, 01:07 PM
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Section B ( what was between R76 tie point and tuner pin 4 wire ,also lamp m3) should be 13 ohms
Section A ( tie point and tuner pin 4 wire to tie point and tuner pin 3 / C53 ) should be 17 ohms
Section c ( tie point and tuner pin 3 / C53 to far point of part to filament strings) should be 8 ohms

anything way beyond this is big trouble
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Old 03-20-2023, 04:26 PM
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Yes, that is how it is measured
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Old 03-20-2023, 04:41 PM
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I replaced it like Bob's 2016 Flickr photo with 20 watt resistors at 15, 15 and 10 ohms. I remeasured the 9BR7 socket resistances. All in line except 4 and 5 both reading over 4 meg.
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Those are the filament pins. You will only get a meaningful reading on the filament pins if all tubes are in their sockets and the power switch is turned on. Don't apply power to the set, just have the switch on. That completes the circuit to the hot chassis.
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Old 03-21-2023, 06:24 AM
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Great thank you! Will continue checking, put together a database of all the socket resistance readings and see if that gives me and anyone else a picture of what went wrong.
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OK, but I don't think you need to go quite that far. First thing I do when I find a value that is way off what is expected, is to start examining that circuit.

Once a problem is detected, I like to track it down rather than look for other problems. They might very well all be connected. Fix that first problem and any others might well be resolved.

It was suggested you start with the 12CA5 because it is a crucial piece of the power supply.

Check the resistance readings, soon as you find one that is waaay off (ignore the filament), trace out the connections to that pin.
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Thanks Bob for taking the time to hang in there with me on this! I will investigate the 12CA5.
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I tend to agree, it has to be related somehow, from what I can see, 260v C only goes to 2 points, and is fed via a 2.2k resistor, very easy to pull down, point 1 is the audio output, where you are seeing the odd resistance checks, fed to G1 via R45 (820K) pins 2-5, the other is the horizontal oscillator, via L22 & R62 @ V10 pin1.
Of course, another suspect would be C2c, if perhaps you see a lower resistance to ground on the power supply of R45 than on pins 2-5 side, one way or another, something has to be pulling that 260v C down, and the weirdness at the audio output is a yellow alert, you have to find the red! :P
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OK I think I found the issue after checking resistances on 12CA5. It led me to check the C2 can electrolytic that I had cut out of the chassis and replaced with a terminal strip containing the 4 electrolytic sections. Embarrassingly, the 2.2k resistor was still attached to the c (triangle) tab on the old C2 can. So, I think if I run the resistor between the positive lead of the 100uf replaced C2 section B and the positive lead of the replacement 22uf C2 section c, that should restore voltage to 260v C. Waddya think?
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Yes, that resistor feeds the 260 volt bus from the 280 volt bus.
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Are pins 2 and 5 on the 12CA5 socket physically connected? I'm still getting 0 ohms on 2 and 500k on 5. I don't have the yoke speaker or CRT plugged in however. I can't see where that would make a difference.
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Are pins 2 and 5 on the 12CA5 socket physically connected? I'm still getting 0 ohms on 2 and 500k on 5. I don't have the yoke speaker or CRT plugged in however. I can't see where that would make a difference.
i can't say about the socket, you will have to look and see, but the tube inside is. 12CA5 = 6CA5

http://www.nj7p.org/Tubes/PDFs/Frank/093-GE/6CA5.pdf
Only diff is the heater.
you should not be getting 0 ohms, UNLESS you mean infinite resistance, from a pin not connected.
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First Light

The 2200 ohm resistor was it. It's a little bit distorted because of the angle but it's got almost full vertical deflection and about 75% horizontal...all through a 200 watt bulb. I can't thank everyone who helped out enough for hanging in there with me! So excited!!!
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Congrats! Try it without the light bulb. It's limiting the power to the set way too much.
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Congrats! Try it without the light bulb. It's limiting the power to the set way too much.
Wow...full screen...static on screen and speaker...bright as all hell. Had to turn the brightness down about 30%.

Bob Andersen you are the man! Thank you so much for your advice and guidance!
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